So as a test I have 443 to a DVR on a vLAN on 1 external IP and port 80 to an internal switch on the main LAN on another external IP

They do hit the WAN, but no port forwarding or NAT rule will take action

SYSLOG

This is now resolved and the solution was simple.

The devices I was testing port forwarding to..................their gateway address' were the old Lease Line Router.

When testing to a device with the same gateway address, hey presto.

Big thank you for your help